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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2016.09.16 17:02:26 -
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Most of the concern is that children and teens are being encouraged to gamble, yet the powers that be in the UK do nothing about the constant stream of gambling adverts that invade every home through the TV after 9PM, when many teens, and indeed some children, are still watching.
Personally I think gambling ads on should go the same way as smoking ads, be banned altogether.
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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2016.09.16 17:20:41 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Most of the concern is that children and teens are being encouraged to gamble, yet the powers that be in the UK do nothing about the constant stream of gambling adverts that invade every home through the TV after 9PM, when many teens, and indeed some children, are still watching.
Personally I think gambling ads on should go the same way as smoking ads, be banned altogether. The same could be said for Alchohol or any other addiction-causing product (be it a physical item or an activity like gambling). The primary difference being that if the child steals their parent's credit card and shows up at the gambling venues being advertised on television they will be sent back home and not allowed to actually participate. Where in online/video game gambling they will be welcomed with open arms as long as the credit card works. edit: The fact that this is so hard to enforce on a case-by-case basis is in fact one of the primary reasons that *unregulated* gambling is just declared illegal, no questions asked. (though not the *only* reason) Most of the advertising spam for gambling that comes through the TV in the UK is for online gambling via apps, not physical premises where it's obvious that a person is underage and not allowed to participate.
The only safeguard against the apps being used by underage gamblers is probably a tickbox, saying "I'm over 18, honest guv" on the signup page.
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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2016.09.17 22:20:15 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote:So #1: By becoming officially licenced they certify that the UK Gambling Commission has gone through their website setup and verified it isn't rigged in some way. All gambling is rigged, hence the saying that the house always wins.
What the gambling commission does is make sure that the odds aren't excessively rigged, and take a payoff to ignore the inconvenient truth above.
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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2016.09.19 14:36:08 -
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Zanar Skwigelf wrote:Chopper Rollins wrote:
Anyone who touches gambling is a self-destructive idiot or a greedy idiot or both.
Or someone else who is ok with "spending" $50 on a few hours of entertainment on shiny lights and loud noises. Your mindset is common among people who think the point of gambling is to make money. One look at the odds should be enough to know it's simply entertainment. People with gambling problems tend to come from the poorest sectors of society, why is that?
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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2016.09.21 00:45:14 -
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With all this talk of Mitten being a lawyer I think it's fair to point out that, according to every article I've read regarding his spaceship shenanigans, Mittens was a corporate lawyer; as such gambling laws may well be outside of his experience and knowledge.
The only person that can say whether or not this is the case is Mittens himself.
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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2016.09.21 01:00:24 -
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For once I'm mostly in agreement with Lucas, I think that CCP need to look at any legal implications that Eve related gambling may have for them as a company if they haven't already done so, more so than ever with the upcoming movement of their HQ to London; the laws regulating gambling are struggling to cope with the realities of virtual cash and items and as such are a quagmire for anybody that puts a foot wrong.
Being a controversial subject the debate often gets quite heated which leads to locked threads and bad blood. I think that CCP should make their stance clear on the issue in an official communication so that this subject doesn't keep popping up.
My personal view is that it's a mugs game, I've seen how it can affect people IRL and it's not pretty.
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Posted - 2016.09.21 09:29:11 -
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Cade Windstalker wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:For once I'm mostly in agreement with Lucas, I think that CCP need to look at any legal implications that Eve related gambling may have for them as a company if they haven't already done so, more so than ever with the upcoming movement of their HQ to London; the laws regulating gambling are struggling to cope with the realities of virtual cash and items and as such are a quagmire for anybody that puts a foot wrong.
Being a controversial subject the debate often gets quite heated which leads to locked threads and bad blood. I think that CCP should make their stance clear on the issue in an official communication so that this subject doesn't keep popping up.
My personal view is that it's a mugs game, I've seen how it can affect people IRL and it's not pretty. It's almost certain that they've already done exactly this already, and determined that as long as you can't sell ISK for RL money then they're fine, since most gambling legislation requires that the things won have real value, so that the laws can't be abused to go after purely recreational games of chance. They may well have done so and while they aren't in contravention of the current laws because they aren't providing the actual service, they do provide a framework (the API) that may allow a 3rd party to do so.
Legally any person or company providing a gambling service that is available to UK residents is required to be licensed by the appropriate authority as per the 2014 Gambling (Licensing & Advertising Bill) which covers offshore gambling and which supersedes the 2005 Gambling Act.
Digital/virtual/crypto currencies are considered to be money or moneys worth (sec 3.1 of the linked document) for the purposes of the law, as such sites like IWI may be in contravention of UK law if they offer their service to UK residents; there are also tax implications to the tune of 15% for the people running such a service.
As I said in a previous post, the law is a quagmire; while ISK may not be officially exchangeable for real currency the regulators in the UK will treat it as one if they they decide to go after 3rd party sites that use the Eve API to facilitate activities that fall under their purview.
NB IANAL, the above is based upon my understanding of the law as it currently stands in the UK.
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Posted - 2016.09.21 09:45:17 -
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Ginger Naari wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:For once I'm mostly in agreement with Lucas, I think that CCP need to look at any legal implications that Eve related gambling may have for them as a company if they haven't already done so, more so than ever with the upcoming movement of their HQ to London; the laws regulating gambling are struggling to cope with the realities of virtual cash and items and as such are a quagmire for anybody that puts a foot wrong.
Being a controversial subject the debate often gets quite heated which leads to locked threads and bad blood. I think that CCP should make their stance clear on the issue in an official communication so that this subject doesn't keep popping up.
My personal view is that it's a mugs game, I've seen how it can affect people IRL and it's not pretty. Do you have a link or something about the HQ move to London? Or any other info cheers. I made an error, the HQ is staying in Reykjavik, but the senior management team is moving to London.
http://massivelyop.com/2016/09/15/eve-onlines-ccp-games-opens-london-management-branch/
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